Comments on: Comments on NBN http://www.typeboard.com/2009/04/comments-on-nbn/ From the Community to the Community. Thu, 26 Jan 2012 04:34:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: jr http://www.typeboard.com/2009/04/comments-on-nbn/comment-page-1/#comment-739 jr Wed, 15 Apr 2009 09:36:47 +0000 http://www.typeboard.com/?p=1046#comment-739 Somehow I think I am not the only one thinking conspiracy theory: http://www.itwire.com/content/view/24310/1239/ Somehow I think I am not the only one thinking conspiracy theory: http://www.itwire.com/content/view/24310/1239/

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]]> By: scoop http://www.typeboard.com/2009/04/comments-on-nbn/comment-page-1/#comment-642 scoop Wed, 08 Apr 2009 14:15:49 +0000 http://www.typeboard.com/?p=1046#comment-642 Did I hear regional Australia wont be getting any of this? but if Canberra is part of regional Australia does it mean we won't benefit from it? Anyone knows anything about it? Did I hear regional Australia wont be getting any of this? but if Canberra is part of regional Australia does it mean we won’t benefit from it?

Anyone knows anything about it?

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]]> By: peterh http://www.typeboard.com/2009/04/comments-on-nbn/comment-page-1/#comment-626 peterh Wed, 08 Apr 2009 07:25:26 +0000 http://www.typeboard.com/?p=1046#comment-626 ah! had another thought! think Dell vs IBM, or to put it another way, Telstra vs RuddNET. RuddNET - now that has a catchy ring to it... ah! had another thought! think Dell vs IBM, or to put it another way, Telstra vs RuddNET.

RuddNET – now that has a catchy ring to it…

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]]> By: Dermott http://www.typeboard.com/2009/04/comments-on-nbn/comment-page-1/#comment-625 Dermott Wed, 08 Apr 2009 05:20:35 +0000 http://www.typeboard.com/?p=1046#comment-625 Censorship = non issue. Simple electoral maths says so. To Peter's point, working for a small ISP as I do, a system majority owned by the government is much less likely to crush the life out of small ISPs than one owned by the Evil Empire. So it's a win for us. Censorship = non issue. Simple electoral maths says so.

To Peter’s point, working for a small ISP as I do, a system majority owned by the government is much less likely to crush the life out of small ISPs than one owned by the Evil Empire. So it’s a win for us.

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]]> By: 99 Red Balloons http://www.typeboard.com/2009/04/comments-on-nbn/comment-page-1/#comment-623 99 Red Balloons Wed, 08 Apr 2009 05:12:19 +0000 http://www.typeboard.com/?p=1046#comment-623 The censorship issue was my first thought when I heard about it, however when I discussed it with my partner he seemed to think that it would make censorship slightly more difficult if anything, but that it was pretty much much of a muchness, if that makes sense. Me, I do not know anything about it. :) The censorship issue was my first thought when I heard about it, however when I discussed it with my partner he seemed to think that it would make censorship slightly more difficult if anything, but that it was pretty much much of a muchness, if that makes sense.

Me, I do not know anything about it.

:)

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]]> By: peterh http://www.typeboard.com/2009/04/comments-on-nbn/comment-page-1/#comment-621 peterh Wed, 08 Apr 2009 04:57:20 +0000 http://www.typeboard.com/?p=1046#comment-621 what concerns me is where the money will be spent for this great broadband network. will local providers get a sniff, or will it be run by the verizon / telstra / optus giants? will the local reseller or isp be any better off? what concerns me is where the money will be spent for this great broadband network. will local providers get a sniff, or will it be run by the verizon / telstra / optus giants? will the local reseller or isp be any better off?

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]]> By: jr http://www.typeboard.com/2009/04/comments-on-nbn/comment-page-1/#comment-620 jr Wed, 08 Apr 2009 04:41:14 +0000 http://www.typeboard.com/?p=1046#comment-620 This is apparently the genesis of the current plan: http://www.smh.com.au/national/secret-team-kept-even-ministers-in-the-dark-20090407-9zlo.html?page=-1 This is apparently the genesis of the current plan:
http://www.smh.com.au/national/secret-team-kept-even-ministers-in-the-dark-20090407-9zlo.html?page=-1

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]]> By: Dermott http://www.typeboard.com/2009/04/comments-on-nbn/comment-page-1/#comment-619 Dermott Wed, 08 Apr 2009 04:38:15 +0000 http://www.typeboard.com/?p=1046#comment-619 If I were a betting man (and I'm not except when it involves things that are certainties, like AFL), I'd say the NBN rollout will create a lot of fluff and news coverage, and then, in 2-3 years, we'll find they've rolled it out to some parts of the metropolitan areas of some of the larger cities (Syd, Melb, Brisbane, maybe some of the others) and then... it'll barely go any further, and then some Liberal future government will flog it off. If I were a betting man (and I’m not except when it involves things that are certainties, like AFL), I’d say the NBN rollout will create a lot of fluff and news coverage, and then, in 2-3 years, we’ll find they’ve rolled it out to some parts of the metropolitan areas of some of the larger cities (Syd, Melb, Brisbane, maybe some of the others) and then… it’ll barely go any further, and then some Liberal future government will flog it off.

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]]> By: Loquacity http://www.typeboard.com/2009/04/comments-on-nbn/comment-page-1/#comment-617 Loquacity Wed, 08 Apr 2009 02:36:35 +0000 http://www.typeboard.com/?p=1046#comment-617 http://johnl.blogs.exetel.com.au/index.php?/archives/2090-Krudd-Trys-A-Mega-Bluff-To-Save-Face....html <--- a load of hyperbole and practically impossible to read because of all the asides. As far as I can tell, his main premise is ... well, actually, I'm not sure. It all just comes out sounding like whining. I'll get back to you when I manage to get through the lies, half-truths, and suppositions. As for Senator Humphries' media release, he states in one breath that the government has "wast[ed] eighteen months and $20 million of taxpayers dollars" while considering how to roll out the NBN and then goes on to say that "The Federal Government needs to start thinking about what they are going to do before announcing that they are going to do it". Besides, he's in opposition. It's his job to criticise the government's position. At the moment, and based on these two links, I'm inclined to think it's all scaremongering. It happens a lot when governments announce a package that is going to cost billions of dollars. That happened with the stimulus package as well. Despite the fact that the IMF has now announced that all countries should be undertaking stimulus packages, there was still a Liberal party member on News Radio this morning yelling about what a crappy idea it all was. Let them have their whine, and I'll be sure to bring some crackers next time. Another choice quote from Senator Humphries: "$43 billion of taxpayers money on the line for an investment in what has been proven as one of the most unpredictable and fast changing industries in the world." So, that's a <b>bad</b> thing is it? Investing in one of theworld's fastest growing industries? Since when? L http://johnl.blogs.exetel.com.au/index.php?/archives/2090-Krudd-Trys-A-Mega-Bluff-To-Save-Face….html <— a load of hyperbole and practically impossible to read because of all the asides. As far as I can tell, his main premise is … well, actually, I’m not sure. It all just comes out sounding like whining. I’ll get back to you when I manage to get through the lies, half-truths, and suppositions.

As for Senator Humphries’ media release, he states in one breath that the government has “wast[ed] eighteen months and $20 million of taxpayers dollars” while considering how to roll out the NBN and then goes on to say that “The Federal Government needs to start thinking about what they are going to do before announcing that they are going to do it”. Besides, he’s in opposition. It’s his job to criticise the government’s position.

At the moment, and based on these two links, I’m inclined to think it’s all scaremongering. It happens a lot when governments announce a package that is going to cost billions of dollars. That happened with the stimulus package as well. Despite the fact that the IMF has now announced that all countries should be undertaking stimulus packages, there was still a Liberal party member on News Radio this morning yelling about what a crappy idea it all was. Let them have their whine, and I’ll be sure to bring some crackers next time.

Another choice quote from Senator Humphries: “$43 billion of taxpayers money on the line for an investment in what has been proven as one of the most unpredictable and fast changing industries in the world.” So, that’s a bad thing is it? Investing in one of theworld’s fastest growing industries? Since when?

L

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]]> By: jr http://www.typeboard.com/2009/04/comments-on-nbn/comment-page-1/#comment-616 jr Wed, 08 Apr 2009 02:15:33 +0000 http://www.typeboard.com/?p=1046#comment-616 @Loquacity Interesting commentary is starting to appear all over the inter-webs. This blog from John Linton of Exetel: http://johnl.blogs.exetel.com.au/index.php?/archives/2090-Krudd-Trys-A-Mega-Bluff-To-Save-Face....html This media release from Senator Humphries: http://www.canberraliberals.org.au/html/s02_article/article_view.asp?article_id=673&nav_cat_id=-1&nav_top_id=-1 The major problem is the initial analysis and commentary is tending to be very politically charged (extreme political bias). I'm wondering if failure to get the new NBN proposal through the Senate could end up being a trigger for a parliamentary double dissolution and early election. In which case that could be the deliberate obfuscation I was intimating. @Loquacity

Interesting commentary is starting to appear all over the inter-webs.

This blog from John Linton of Exetel:
http://johnl.blogs.exetel.com.au/index.php?/archives/2090-Krudd-Trys-A-Mega-Bluff-To-Save-Face….html

This media release from Senator Humphries:
http://www.canberraliberals.org.au/html/s02_article/article_view.asp?article_id=673&nav_cat_id=-1&nav_top_id=-1

The major problem is the initial analysis and commentary is tending to be very politically charged (extreme political bias).

I’m wondering if failure to get the new NBN proposal through the Senate could end up being a trigger for a parliamentary double dissolution and early election. In which case that could be the deliberate obfuscation I was intimating.

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]]> By: Loquacity http://www.typeboard.com/2009/04/comments-on-nbn/comment-page-1/#comment-615 Loquacity Wed, 08 Apr 2009 02:01:22 +0000 http://www.typeboard.com/?p=1046#comment-615 It all sounds a little alarmist to me, to be honest. I think I need to ruminate further before airing my opinion, though. Watch this space. L It all sounds a little alarmist to me, to be honest. I think I need to ruminate further before airing my opinion, though. Watch this space.

L

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]]> By: jr http://www.typeboard.com/2009/04/comments-on-nbn/comment-page-1/#comment-613 jr Wed, 08 Apr 2009 01:25:18 +0000 http://www.typeboard.com/?p=1046#comment-613 Maybe I spoke too soon with regard to introduction of anti-competitive legislation and the functional separation of Telstra as this article in the Australian (8 April 2009) indicates: http://tinyurl.com/d3a97v Maybe I spoke too soon with regard to introduction of anti-competitive legislation and the functional separation of Telstra as this article in the Australian (8 April 2009) indicates: http://tinyurl.com/d3a97v

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]]> By: jr http://www.typeboard.com/2009/04/comments-on-nbn/comment-page-1/#comment-611 jr Wed, 08 Apr 2009 00:40:04 +0000 http://www.typeboard.com/?p=1046#comment-611 The more I think about it, the more I am coming to the unfortunate conclusion that the whole "out of the blue" announcement sounds more like a distraction than a genuine nation building project/solution. The policy "brochure" can be found here. http://www.dbcde.gov.au/communications_for_business/funding_programs__and__support/national_broadband_network/national_broadband_network_policy_brochure Read it carefully, there isn't anything in this document that is truly earth shattering. Obviously there is a strong positive spin on all the benefits... but how this all translates in to reality of end user product affordability (remember we work in a user pays society and everything is driven by profit when in private hands) goodness knows. Yes, it is still national infrastructure, but as was demonstrated by the NBN tender process, it could have just as easily been delivered by private enterprise (Telstra's idiotic tender tantrums aside). This nation already has a solid core communications backbone networks (yes the plural was deliberate here - representing duplication of resources) in private hands and it was just a matter of delivering service or improved services to those households that are currently missing out. I am still skeptical that where I live, an older Gungahlin suburb, we are not going to see any appreciable improvements any time soon. I am connected off a RIM which effectively cripples 3rd party broadband access and limits speeds to ADSL1 rates. These RIMs are already fed by optic fibre - fibre to the curb - but that fibre "belongs" to Telstra. Perhaps we would not have been in this national predicament in the first place had Telstra been split properly during privatization in to a carrier and carriage reseller components. Interestingly the call to split Telstra to introduce true competition is something that the current monolithic and monopolistic Telstra continually resists. In my opinion for the majority of cases throughout the country an appreciable improvement in broadband speed could have just as easily been accomplished through implementation of anti-competitive practice legislation that would have brought Telstra back in to line. But getting back to my opening statement of why I think this announcement is a distration: surely getting priority core infrastructure items right first (health, education, shelter & accommodation for the homeless, water, jobs, roads, rail, public transport etc...) are far more important? What is really happening that they need to distract our attention from? The more I think about it, the more I am coming to the unfortunate conclusion that the whole “out of the blue” announcement sounds more like a distraction than a genuine nation building project/solution.

The policy “brochure” can be found here.
http://www.dbcde.gov.au/communications_for_business/funding_programs__and__support/national_broadband_network/national_broadband_network_policy_brochure

Read it carefully, there isn’t anything in this document that is truly earth shattering. Obviously there is a strong positive spin on all the benefits… but how this all translates in to reality of end user product affordability (remember we work in a user pays society and everything is driven by profit when in private hands) goodness knows.

Yes, it is still national infrastructure, but as was demonstrated by the NBN tender process, it could have just as easily been delivered by private enterprise (Telstra’s idiotic tender tantrums aside). This nation already has a solid core communications backbone networks (yes the plural was deliberate here – representing duplication of resources) in private hands and it was just a matter of delivering service or improved services to those households that are currently missing out.

I am still skeptical that where I live, an older Gungahlin suburb, we are not going to see any appreciable improvements any time soon. I am connected off a RIM which effectively cripples 3rd party broadband access and limits speeds to ADSL1 rates. These RIMs are already fed by optic fibre – fibre to the curb – but that fibre “belongs” to Telstra. Perhaps we would not have been in this national predicament in the first place had Telstra been split properly during privatization in to a carrier and carriage reseller components. Interestingly the call to split Telstra to introduce true competition is something that the current monolithic and monopolistic Telstra continually resists.

In my opinion for the majority of cases throughout the country an appreciable improvement in broadband speed could have just as easily been accomplished through implementation of anti-competitive practice legislation that would have brought Telstra back in to line.

But getting back to my opening statement of why I think this announcement is a distration: surely getting priority core infrastructure items right first (health, education, shelter & accommodation for the homeless, water, jobs, roads, rail, public transport etc…) are far more important? What is really happening that they need to distract our attention from?

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]]> By: Loquacity http://www.typeboard.com/2009/04/comments-on-nbn/comment-page-1/#comment-599 Loquacity Tue, 07 Apr 2009 09:56:07 +0000 http://www.typeboard.com/?p=1046#comment-599 Jonathan, I admit, I had the same uneasy thought. It seems like such a brilliant, innovative move in the first instance, but I can't help but glimpse the underbelly ... Here's hoping I'm wrong. L Jonathan, I admit, I had the same uneasy thought. It seems like such a brilliant, innovative move in the first instance, but I can’t help but glimpse the underbelly …

Here’s hoping I’m wrong.

L

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]]> By: jr http://www.typeboard.com/2009/04/comments-on-nbn/comment-page-1/#comment-598 jr Tue, 07 Apr 2009 09:29:47 +0000 http://www.typeboard.com/?p=1046#comment-598 I already have my own hypothesis with regard to timing of the annoucement, current events and and proposed delivery of the outcome: As I tweeted earlier: "Conspiracy theory: No need to impose mandatory Internet filtering on comm. 3rd parties when #NBN will be Federal Govt managed/controlled." I'd be happier if I could apply Occam's Razor instead. I already have my own hypothesis with regard to timing of the annoucement, current events and and proposed delivery of the outcome:

As I tweeted earlier:

“Conspiracy theory: No need to impose mandatory Internet filtering on comm. 3rd parties when #NBN will be Federal Govt managed/controlled.”

I’d be happier if I could apply Occam’s Razor instead.

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]]> By: scoop http://www.typeboard.com/2009/04/comments-on-nbn/comment-page-1/#comment-596 scoop Tue, 07 Apr 2009 08:40:16 +0000 http://www.typeboard.com/?p=1046#comment-596 That is great news for sure, I am sick of Telstra's monopoly and having broadband speeds slower than a turtle. That is great news for sure, I am sick of Telstra’s monopoly and having broadband speeds slower than a turtle.

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