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		<title>By: madepercy</title>
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		<dc:creator>madepercy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, it seems the first link in my last post is blocked, so I put it up on slideshare instead: http://www.slideshare.net/madepercy/ottawa-travel

Cheers, Michael.</description>
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<p>Cheers, Michael.
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		<title>By: madepercy</title>
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		<dc:creator>madepercy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 10:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I travelled to Ottawa in 2007, I needed to travel to the outer burbs for an interview. On the Net, I used the bus service&#039;s travel planner. I have attached the result here: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ddtzxfgf_39cmgdctf7. Simple.

The public transport website is here: http://www.octranspo.com/Main_MenuE.asp

Here in Canberra, I can&#039;t even work out (from the Net) what time the next bus comes at my local stop. I generally walk over and read the hardcopy attached to the bus stop sign. It is fine from the interchanges, but in the burbs, impossible. I would use the buses more often if ACTION had such a system. I emailed the details to them while I was in Canada, but - no response, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I travelled to Ottawa in 2007, I needed to travel to the outer burbs for an interview. On the Net, I used the bus service&#8217;s travel planner. I have attached the result here: <a href="http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ddtzxfgf_39cmgdctf7" rel="nofollow">http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ddtzxfgf_39cmgdctf7</a>. Simple.</p>
<p>The public transport website is here: <a href="http://www.octranspo.com/Main_MenuE.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.octranspo.com/Main_MenuE.asp</a></p>
<p>Here in Canberra, I can&#8217;t even work out (from the Net) what time the next bus comes at my local stop. I generally walk over and read the hardcopy attached to the bus stop sign. It is fine from the interchanges, but in the burbs, impossible. I would use the buses more often if ACTION had such a system. I emailed the details to them while I was in Canada, but &#8211; no response, of course.
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		<title>By: jr</title>
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		<dc:creator>jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dermott, 

Then would it appears that you agree with points 6 &amp; 7 of the ACT Light Rail guiding principles below (emphasis added).

The most recently PWC document (as submitted to Infrastructure Australia) was based on the Canberra Public Transport Futures Feasibility Study - Final Report: Economic and Financial Implications of Transport Options (Prepared for ACTPLA by Kellogg Brown &amp; Root Pty Ltd in January 2004). 

The KBR study was based on studies and information dating back to 2000 and earlier (rail costing in that document was based on &quot;heavy rail&quot; and several component items such as the communications network - clearly inflated compared with actual outcomes that ACTION and ACTEW achieved undertaking a similar communications project at the time).

Because the PWC document was based solely on the KBR report there are also some glaring omissions including lack of any reference to catering for the new Molonglo development (a prime candidate for an integrated transport solution from the outset), and the significant increases in employment at the Airport. 

Even with what ACT Light Rail believe to be inflated figures in the PWC/KBR documents, and failure to include new imperatives for public transport solutions in the territory, the PWC submission has clearly shown a significant positive outcome in the cost benefit analysis. 

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The following are the guiding principles of ACT Light Rail:

1. We believe that Light Rail is the best form of mass transit public transport for the Capital Region.

2. We believe that integration of Light Rail with the ACTION bus network and other bus systems is the most efficient, attractive and sustainable public transport system for Capital Region residents.

3. We believe that the Capital Region already has the population to support a viable Light Rail network.

4. We believe that the establishment of Light Rail is essentially a political challenge for Canberra and that detailed planning, technical, financial and operational issues can be dealt with once the political issues around Light Rail are resolved.

5. We believe that we should work collaboratively with other public transport stakeholders and promote wide community and business involvement, contribution and debate in support of Light Rail.

&lt;b&gt;6. We believe that there should be a detailed, unbiased and realistic feasibility study into the establishment of Light Rail in the Capital Region.&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;b&gt;7. We believe that one or both of the ACT or Federal governments should fund a detailed feasibility study to establish viable routes for a Capital Region Light Rail network including proper triple bottom line assessment.&lt;/b&gt;

8. We believe that a proof of concept Light Rail line should be built before construction of a wider network, which links employment areas and town centres.

9. We believe that consideration should be given to leveraging existing infrastructure and development opportunities to assist in this process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dermott, </p>
<p>Then would it appears that you agree with points 6 &amp; 7 of the ACT Light Rail guiding principles below (emphasis added).</p>
<p>The most recently PWC document (as submitted to Infrastructure Australia) was based on the Canberra Public Transport Futures Feasibility Study &#8211; Final Report: Economic and Financial Implications of Transport Options (Prepared for ACTPLA by Kellogg Brown &amp; Root Pty Ltd in January 2004). </p>
<p>The KBR study was based on studies and information dating back to 2000 and earlier (rail costing in that document was based on &#8220;heavy rail&#8221; and several component items such as the communications network &#8211; clearly inflated compared with actual outcomes that ACTION and ACTEW achieved undertaking a similar communications project at the time).</p>
<p>Because the PWC document was based solely on the KBR report there are also some glaring omissions including lack of any reference to catering for the new Molonglo development (a prime candidate for an integrated transport solution from the outset), and the significant increases in employment at the Airport. </p>
<p>Even with what ACT Light Rail believe to be inflated figures in the PWC/KBR documents, and failure to include new imperatives for public transport solutions in the territory, the PWC submission has clearly shown a significant positive outcome in the cost benefit analysis. </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>The following are the guiding principles of ACT Light Rail:</p>
<p>1. We believe that Light Rail is the best form of mass transit public transport for the Capital Region.</p>
<p>2. We believe that integration of Light Rail with the ACTION bus network and other bus systems is the most efficient, attractive and sustainable public transport system for Capital Region residents.</p>
<p>3. We believe that the Capital Region already has the population to support a viable Light Rail network.</p>
<p>4. We believe that the establishment of Light Rail is essentially a political challenge for Canberra and that detailed planning, technical, financial and operational issues can be dealt with once the political issues around Light Rail are resolved.</p>
<p>5. We believe that we should work collaboratively with other public transport stakeholders and promote wide community and business involvement, contribution and debate in support of Light Rail.</p>
<p><b>6. We believe that there should be a detailed, unbiased and realistic feasibility study into the establishment of Light Rail in the Capital Region.</b></p>
<p><b>7. We believe that one or both of the ACT or Federal governments should fund a detailed feasibility study to establish viable routes for a Capital Region Light Rail network including proper triple bottom line assessment.</b></p>
<p>8. We believe that a proof of concept Light Rail line should be built before construction of a wider network, which links employment areas and town centres.</p>
<p>9. We believe that consideration should be given to leveraging existing infrastructure and development opportunities to assist in this process.
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		<title>By: Dermott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dermott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 07:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JR, despite your assertion, I am in fact a supporter of light rail and public transport. But the reality of Canberra is that one has been poorly implemented, and the other shows no sign of being done at all.
I believe that, if the supporters cannot justify to myself - a supporter - why they should be given a billion dollars for a pipedream - then their ability to convince Treasury, and the wider public is destined to fail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JR, despite your assertion, I am in fact a supporter of light rail and public transport. But the reality of Canberra is that one has been poorly implemented, and the other shows no sign of being done at all.<br />
I believe that, if the supporters cannot justify to myself &#8211; a supporter &#8211; why they should be given a billion dollars for a pipedream &#8211; then their ability to convince Treasury, and the wider public is destined to fail.
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		<title>By: jr</title>
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		<dc:creator>jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 05:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dermott:

Just face it, given your obvious anti-light rail stance, whatever answer is given you&#039;ll find problems with.

However, despite your assertions that Light Rail advocates have always been willing to provide an answer to your so called &quot;fundamental question&quot; here is a response in generic terms:

Apart from the total cost over the life of the system advantage, light rail does have the power to attract more passengers than buses.

Most noticeably in the United States: since the 1970’s there was a significant decline in individuals utilizing public transport. A key factor in reversing the trend has been the expansion and re-deployment of light rail transit services. Light Rail patronage has climbed at a rate several times that for buses, which has comparatively remained stagnant. In the United States between 1977 and 1997, while bus ridership rose 5%, &quot;heavy&quot; rail patronage (mainly on subways/metro systems) increased 13%, and light rail patronage escalated at 155%.

The main reason for this, as I have outlined in a comment above is that is that that buses will tend to get tied up in the increasingly congested road traffic, and thus have a hard time keeping their passengers. Also, compared to light rail, bus transit is less reliable and comfortable. Bus routes are less visible and understandable. Consistently, on the international stage, when transit operators have converted existing rail transit lines into bus routes, the vast majority of the riders have just abandoned the service – the bus service is typically left with a small fraction of the original patronage.

Light rail supporters consistently argue that, for fundamentally equivalent types of transit service, light rail will attract more riders. The public tends to be drawn by the attractive specific attributes of light rail service – the permanence of the alignment, vehicle comfort, etc. – in a way and to a degree not exhibited in the case of similar bus operations. The result is substantially higher Light Rail patronage for a given investment in higher-quality transit - be it bus or rail.

In a 1999 paper: E.L. Tennyson, &quot;North American Bus way Experience&quot; – Evidence was provided through a 1991 research project in Philadelphia, which examined basically similar services of the South-eastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority&#039;s suburban trolley lines and the Ardmore bus way – relatively fast bus service on a dedicated bus-only roadway. The history of the Ardmore bus way itself gives confirms the case for the greater attractiveness of light rail, since, when the route was converted from trolleys to buses (i.e., Light Rail Transit to Bus Rapid Transit) in 1967, patronage dropped 15%. This was despite the fact that older “streetcar” (trams) were replaced by then highly modern, air conditioned buses on a newly paved private bus way.

Finally don’t underestimate the image perception factor that plays a large role in the choice of transport modes. For some people buses are unfortunately perceived as the transport option for individuals from lower socio-economic levels. In reality whatever the public transit option, those without choice will continue to use what is available, but for whatever reason Light Rail is continually perceived to be a high class of public transport and thus more attractive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dermott:</p>
<p>Just face it, given your obvious anti-light rail stance, whatever answer is given you&#8217;ll find problems with.</p>
<p>However, despite your assertions that Light Rail advocates have always been willing to provide an answer to your so called &#8220;fundamental question&#8221; here is a response in generic terms:</p>
<p>Apart from the total cost over the life of the system advantage, light rail does have the power to attract more passengers than buses.</p>
<p>Most noticeably in the United States: since the 1970’s there was a significant decline in individuals utilizing public transport. A key factor in reversing the trend has been the expansion and re-deployment of light rail transit services. Light Rail patronage has climbed at a rate several times that for buses, which has comparatively remained stagnant. In the United States between 1977 and 1997, while bus ridership rose 5%, &#8220;heavy&#8221; rail patronage (mainly on subways/metro systems) increased 13%, and light rail patronage escalated at 155%.</p>
<p>The main reason for this, as I have outlined in a comment above is that is that that buses will tend to get tied up in the increasingly congested road traffic, and thus have a hard time keeping their passengers. Also, compared to light rail, bus transit is less reliable and comfortable. Bus routes are less visible and understandable. Consistently, on the international stage, when transit operators have converted existing rail transit lines into bus routes, the vast majority of the riders have just abandoned the service – the bus service is typically left with a small fraction of the original patronage.</p>
<p>Light rail supporters consistently argue that, for fundamentally equivalent types of transit service, light rail will attract more riders. The public tends to be drawn by the attractive specific attributes of light rail service – the permanence of the alignment, vehicle comfort, etc. – in a way and to a degree not exhibited in the case of similar bus operations. The result is substantially higher Light Rail patronage for a given investment in higher-quality transit &#8211; be it bus or rail.</p>
<p>In a 1999 paper: E.L. Tennyson, &#8220;North American Bus way Experience&#8221; – Evidence was provided through a 1991 research project in Philadelphia, which examined basically similar services of the South-eastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority&#8217;s suburban trolley lines and the Ardmore bus way – relatively fast bus service on a dedicated bus-only roadway. The history of the Ardmore bus way itself gives confirms the case for the greater attractiveness of light rail, since, when the route was converted from trolleys to buses (i.e., Light Rail Transit to Bus Rapid Transit) in 1967, patronage dropped 15%. This was despite the fact that older “streetcar” (trams) were replaced by then highly modern, air conditioned buses on a newly paved private bus way.</p>
<p>Finally don’t underestimate the image perception factor that plays a large role in the choice of transport modes. For some people buses are unfortunately perceived as the transport option for individuals from lower socio-economic levels. In reality whatever the public transit option, those without choice will continue to use what is available, but for whatever reason Light Rail is continually perceived to be a high class of public transport and thus more attractive.
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		<title>By: peterh</title>
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		<dc:creator>peterh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 05:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>supporters? is there someone else other than jon?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>supporters? is there someone else other than jon?
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		<title>By: Dermott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dermott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 03:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Want public transport to work in Canberra? Triple the cost of parking in the CBD. If it doesn&#039;t work, double it again. Then halve the parking spaces in the parliamentary triangle.
Commuters drive because it&#039;s the easy option. Make it less easy, and they&#039;ll find other methods.
I note though that our light rail supporters still haven&#039;t addressed the question that highlights the weak spot in their argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Want public transport to work in Canberra? Triple the cost of parking in the CBD. If it doesn&#8217;t work, double it again. Then halve the parking spaces in the parliamentary triangle.<br />
Commuters drive because it&#8217;s the easy option. Make it less easy, and they&#8217;ll find other methods.<br />
I note though that our light rail supporters still haven&#8217;t addressed the question that highlights the weak spot in their argument.
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		<title>By: Loquacity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loquacity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Considering the country is in recession (and is likely to be for some time yet), I can think of better things to pour money into right now.

L</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering the country is in recession (and is likely to be for some time yet), I can think of better things to pour money into right now.</p>
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		<title>By: scoop</title>
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		<dc:creator>scoop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will 1 million dollars be enough to have a better action service? should the government put more money into it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will 1 million dollars be enough to have a better action service? should the government put more money into it?
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		<title>By: Loquacity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loquacity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Valeri - I&#039;ve just been reading back through the commentary on this thread, and one of them seems to have been severely modified. Has the comment been moderated or do we have light rail spies hacked in to the system?

L</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Valeri &#8211; I&#8217;ve just been reading back through the commentary on this thread, and one of them seems to have been severely modified. Has the comment been moderated or do we have light rail spies hacked in to the system?</p>
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		<title>By: Loquacity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loquacity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Empathetic huh? Better than being pathetic, I guess.

Oh dear, I think it&#039;s time to give my humour module a bit of a sleep. The jokes have been getting worse all night, and they never were all that great to start with.

L</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Empathetic huh? Better than being pathetic, I guess.</p>
<p>Oh dear, I think it&#8217;s time to give my humour module a bit of a sleep. The jokes have been getting worse all night, and they never were all that great to start with.</p>
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		<title>By: peterh</title>
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		<dc:creator>peterh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 04:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the humor module is fine, thank-you. the idea that sprang into my head whilst chortling was the taxi stuff.

I did an empathy test today - apparently I am empathetic...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the humor module is fine, thank-you. the idea that sprang into my head whilst chortling was the taxi stuff.</p>
<p>I did an empathy test today &#8211; apparently I am empathetic&#8230;
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		<title>By: Loquacity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loquacity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 04:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter, go back and read your second-to-last comment again (the one you made at 2:18). And then read my comment again (at 2:24).

And then laugh.

It&#039;s funny.

Or at least groan-worthy (which is about as funny as I get, according to most people who know me, anyway).

L</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, go back and read your second-to-last comment again (the one you made at 2:18). And then read my comment again (at 2:24).</p>
<p>And then laugh.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny.</p>
<p>Or at least groan-worthy (which is about as funny as I get, according to most people who know me, anyway).</p>
<p>L
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		<title>By: peterh</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 04:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>don&#039;t you mean a taxi service? 

pick a brand, any brand...

or cabexpress. and they are from queanbeyan...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>don&#8217;t you mean a taxi service? </p>
<p>pick a brand, any brand&#8230;</p>
<p>or cabexpress. and they are from queanbeyan&#8230;
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		<title>By: Loquacity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loquacity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 04:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, if you&#039;re really desperate, they have a bus service!

I&#039;ve also heard rumours of a bus service, but I could be mistaken ...

(Sorry Peter, I couldn&#039;t resist!)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, if you&#8217;re really desperate, they have a bus service!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also heard rumours of a bus service, but I could be mistaken &#8230;</p>
<p>(Sorry Peter, I couldn&#8217;t resist!)</p>
<p>L
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		<title>By: peterh</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 04:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the reason that we haven&#039;t seen a high adoption is the already existing infrastructure in most cities. canberra has a bus service or a bus service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the reason that we haven&#8217;t seen a high adoption is the already existing infrastructure in most cities. canberra has a bus service or a bus service.
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		<title>By: Loquacity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loquacity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 04:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan, could you please repeat that in English? I lost interest and drifted off.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan, could you please repeat that in English? I lost interest and drifted off.</p>
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		<title>By: jr</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 03:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Peter:

The backbone network requires high passenger capability ... a guided bus way doesn&#039;t solve that fundamental issue. See my comments earlier.

If guided busways were actually such a good proposition then I&#039;m sure we would have seen much greater (international) adoption of the technology. Checking wikipedia only shows a handful of examples  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guided_bus</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Peter:</p>
<p>The backbone network requires high passenger capability &#8230; a guided bus way doesn&#8217;t solve that fundamental issue. See my comments earlier.</p>
<p>If guided busways were actually such a good proposition then I&#8217;m sure we would have seen much greater (international) adoption of the technology. Checking wikipedia only shows a handful of examples  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guided_bus" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guided_bus</a>
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		<title>By: Dermott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dermott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 03:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Light rail proponents never answer the fundamental question: if Canberra cannot sustain a bus system and make it work, why would a rail system be any different?
Especially given that a bus system has, by its nature, much more flexibility? 
It&#039;s a pipedream for a bunch of train-spotters. What&#039;s so pathetic is that they get sucked in every few years when politicians (who have no intention of ever actually *doing* anything about it) wave their little &quot;light rail&quot; banner and get all the model-railway nerds excited.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Light rail proponents never answer the fundamental question: if Canberra cannot sustain a bus system and make it work, why would a rail system be any different?<br />
Especially given that a bus system has, by its nature, much more flexibility?<br />
It&#8217;s a pipedream for a bunch of train-spotters. What&#8217;s so pathetic is that they get sucked in every few years when politicians (who have no intention of ever actually *doing* anything about it) wave their little &#8220;light rail&#8221; banner and get all the model-railway nerds excited.”
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		<title>By: peterh</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 03:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathon, what about a compromise, as i have shown above with the usage of a bus rail transport system? the hub and spoke arrangement would be applicable to an O-Bahn arrangement, the ability to travel on standard roads would overcome any maintenance issues on the tracks, and thus eliminate any delays or down time due to the required works. The tourism factor would allow for the system to be operational at all times, without running empty carriages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathon, what about a compromise, as i have shown above with the usage of a bus rail transport system? the hub and spoke arrangement would be applicable to an O-Bahn arrangement, the ability to travel on standard roads would overcome any maintenance issues on the tracks, and thus eliminate any delays or down time due to the required works. The tourism factor would allow for the system to be operational at all times, without running empty carriages.
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